“That woman has really nice shoes,” said a man with whom I am acquainted.
I was at a restaurant in Vancouver with four men. Three of them were talking about women’s shoes, but, in fact, they were referring to certain parts of female anatomy in “code” so they wouldn’t appear rude or lascivious.
This was my experience a couple of weeks ago.
I was sightseeing on Vancouver’s North Shore with these men, one of whom was my friend, and I had specifically come out to visit him. The whole time three of them were commenting on women’s body parts and calling women names that rap singers often use in their songs.
I tried to laugh it off, but I was not impressed. In fact, I was disgusted. After about an hour of this, I called them out on it. I was especially upset because they felt that this was funny, because they were inspired by each other’s presence, and because this was not the first time that I’ve heard such things from men. It has been a regular occurrence.
That evening I vented to my father, who is someone I look up to as a model for respect and loyalty: in short, the definition of a real man.
In our conversation, I framed it as a gender-equity issue, but my father thought of it more as a failure of manhood, although gender equity was certainly in question.
He shared with me that boys are a product of the way manhood is demonstrated in their families. Men who show respect towards other men and women in their lives will pass that down to their sons and grandsons, who will then pass it down to theirs.
“It’s a failure of men to teach younger men that respect for men and women is a sign of strength and character,” he said, adding sadly, “Now, chivalry and respect for women seem outdated in a segment of youth culture.”
Recognizing this, my father’s cousin, Arturo Bergen, pastor at Eben-Ezer Mennonite Church, Abbotsford, initiated men’s retreats some years ago in an effort to teach intergenerational respect and model it. My father, who has been a part of these retreats, said, “I think you have a pastor who sees this as a problem and is seeking to build an intergenerational solution by modelling it. In a few years, I think we’ll see a real difference.”
However, the three men I came in contact with two weeks ago “pretend to have a sense of superiority . . . with women at a distance. They are demonstrating cowardice by not seeking out a real relationship with a real woman,” my father said.
It also has to do with subcultures. According to Dean Peachey, vice-principal of the University of Winnipeg’s Global College, the subcultures within male culture in North America often predict how men speak about women in their presence. “In some of those subcultures, the kind of conversation that you were subjected to is unacceptable,” he told me after I shared my experience with him. “In others, it is fairly standard as long as no one is present who objects.”
Although most of my borderline sexual harassment encounters with men have been with people outside the faith community, I think it is important for those of us within it to remember the importance of modelling appropriate behaviour and teaching respect for everyone, including women.
“Mentors are an important gift to the community,” my father said. “For example, when I mentor a young man or woman, I benefit because I see values of integrity passed down, but the community also benefits because the values are fostered and people live upright, good, righteous, compassionate lives.”
In my opinion, it would be advisable to have more mentorship programs in churches.

chivalry and segregation
Rachel,
I share your disgust with these kinds of attitudes towards women - thanks for raising this important issue.
I would add a couple of things, though. First, though it depends how you mean it, I wouldn't consider chivalry and gender equality the same thing. Chivalry is often based on an idealizing of women as perfect, ethereal, beautiful, and weak things - not real human beings, with talents, interests, ideas, and flaws! It's sort of the flip side to the misogyny you're talking about.
Secondly, I think part of the problem is precisely that we consider the genders so very different that we set up segregated activities in churches. Like your father said, one of the best things is for young men to get to know real women and see them as equals and friends. But this isn't something that only older men teach younger men and boys (and presumably, women teach younger women/girls). Some of my mentors in church have been men, and I didn't consider gender differences to be an obstacle to learning from them how to be live out my faith in a genuine way, including treating all other people as human beings made in the image of God, not objects.
Susie
gender equality vs. traditional views of manhood.
This is an interesting column. Rachel, I think the experience you've described here is very common - women are often uncomfortable with the ways guys look at and talk about attractive women.
The point that struck me the most was that you framed your discomfort as a gender equality issue and that your father framed it as a failure to adhere to traditional gender roles. Would be fascinating if you did a column on attitudes towards these two schools of thought - perhaps surveying some 30-somethings how their attitudes about gender equality have changed since their 20s.
Slightly Confused?
I found this article interesting, but I was also a little confused. I'm not exactly sure what type of social project you're advocating here, but if it is to stop straight men from talking about the sexual appeal of women they encounter when in groups, you must be out of your mind. First, I highly doubt that this has nothing to do with biology (have you missed out on sex education?). Second, I doubt his is anything new, or something that was not done in the "age of chivalry". Third, the men in the church who don't do this now likely did do this when they were younger but are now married and thus either bored with women or have a sense that they are no longer able to do this with their married friends.
While I agree that it was rude for these guys to do this in front of you, Rachel, I still think that this is a hopeless project, and that your best attempt at stopping this type of behaviour is to use hormone therapy during puberty to stop sexual development in boys (I do not advocate this btw)
So True, and girls do this
So True, and girls do this all the time too!
Former male chauvinist
Those guys you hung with - that used to be me. I would say there are a variety of factors that influenced my inappropriate behavior. But it was the mentorship of good Christian men and some confrontational female friends that helped to smarten me up; that and just growing up a bit.
Nice one Rachel.
Nice one Rachel!
Although I would like to add a point.
Many congregations DO have mentorship programs, however in my opinion that maybe these mentorship programs lack focus, clarity, and maybe a certain intentionality about the things that are discussed, shared and nurtured within those mentor-mentee relationships.
Thoughts?
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